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 01-13-2009, 08:51 PM
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lulie
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01-18-2009, 01:06 PM
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lulie
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Don’t say that you should have not existed.
Without you, there will be a hole in creation.
A missing life to those in your family.
A missing friend to those around you.
A missing role in this world.
Treasure your uniqueness. It is a gift given only to you.
Play your role in life.
coz u r special...
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11-23-2009, 08:18 PM
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lulie
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Be thankful for the difficult times. During those times you grow.
Be thankful for your limitations. Because they give you opportunities for improvement.
Be thankful for each new challenge. Because it will build your strength and character.
Be thankful for your mistakes. They will teach you valuable lessons.
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11-23-2009, 10:52 PM
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when God takes something from you, He is not punishing you, but merely forcing you to open up your hand so that u can receive something better.
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The will of God will not take you where the will of God will not protect you
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Dont worry about the people from your past; there is a reason why they did not make it to your future.
Heroes don't come easily
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11-24-2009, 12:58 AM
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 FACT_FACT_FACT wrote: | | when God takes something from you, He is not punishing you, but merely forcing you to open up your hand so that u can receive something better. |
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right.. like in the case when religious-inspired violence leads someone to detonate a bomb which will cause an innocent bystander to lose both arms... how the hell is he going to open up his hands to receive all the gifts and gadgets from god?
clearly a smart omnipotent god like yours must have foreseen that allowing people to worship him would inevitably lead to different religions which will lead to political differences and wars.. he can't be very stupid as to miss that... so why didn't he just create us and ask us to be good without creating such complicated religious problems?
i think he is suffering from an attention problem.. maybe also an inferiority complex
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11-24-2009, 09:59 AM
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Stal, this is perhaps one of the wackiest, however most intelligent, attacks I have read in weeks. But unfortunately it does not amount to the metaphorical level I have initially intended my post to have. You have rather taken it semi-literally. There’s nothing wrong about that of course. It’s just that it does not work aptly.
To tell you that I don’t, sometimes, think the way you do, I would be lying. It is true that to think of an inherently good, omniscient, omnipotent, omnipresent God, while this God seems to be unable (voluntarily or otherwise) to deter evil from taking over, it is true that in this respect there lies a great deal of self-defeating contradiction. You are not the first one to pose this dialectic; people from different ages and places have questioned that with the same degree of fervor, maybe even more.
What I find it difficult to comprehend, is amazingly the very thing I believe in: there’s some ultimate wisdom to every loss, destruction, every woe, even this man who is ironically (on the surface) unable to receive the bounties that God wants to bestow on him because he’s lost the very means to so doing, such a case remains in the beyond-comprehension sphere. Problem lies in our provincial thinking. A story is never understood from one chapter or two, one has to read the full picture in order to get the wisdom (mind you, God might well wanna keep it concealed though if He may wish to), and we don’t yet have the full picture. Problem is that our too-sincere reliance on logic urges us to find symmetrical forms in our daily mishaps, but we also forget that the world was never made symmetrical in the first place. So just because now, at the moment, a rational man cannot fathom out why this victim has lost his arm (because of faith-driven violence) and by what means God is still the wise one we should have faith in, just because at this moment we don’t get it, it does not attribute to God the short-sightedness you are speaking of. You say He’s got some complex? I say it is us who suffer from this complex; our logic, our only capital, fails us and perhaps it is easier for us to cast it on God than to admit our epistemological (ma3refee) weaknesses before ourselves.
As for problems consequent upon difference in faith, credo, dogma etc and the entire violence attendant, this is not happening because God has in an “Oppsi doopsi” fashion forgotten that such a scenario is one of the most probable. It is merely because of our inability to accommodate the notion of difference; which has always remained an intimidating one. Think of it mechanically, this time, logically, and you may be pleased. (Am not sure though)
Although I have no hopes in altering your convictions (I respect them of course) in the end I hope I got you right; but likewise I hope I made myself clear. Whenever u see I have not managed to, please stop and pin point the mistake.
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11-28-2009, 08:38 PM
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Jedidiah777
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts, FACT_FACT_FACT, read it very carefully. God bless you!
Some brainstorming to "preciousness":
In a newborn is every potential – to become a blessing or curse on this earth… We really need God, our sinful nature is prone to become something else than being "precious"...
Our choices determine our direction. In a conversation, a man of God mentioned that there are only three types of people. Curious I asked, if he could explain and he stated:
- the 1st category of people are those in the kingdom of God.
- to the 2nd category belong those, who are on the road of life and God is working in their lives, trying to reach and save them.
- and the third category are the wicked. God let them have their way. They would not yield to any conviction anymore. These people are dangerous!
Isa 30:1 "Woe to the rebellious children," says the LORD, "Who take counsel, but not of Me, And who devise plans, but not of My Spirit, That they may add sin to sin;
Mar 14:21 "The Son of Man indeed goes just as it is written of Him, but woe to that man by whom the Son of Man is betrayed! It would have been good for that man if he had never been born." (this Scripture applies to Judas and God knows to whom)
Psa 116:15 Precious in the sight of the LORD Is the death of His saints.
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12-08-2009, 09:23 PM
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so to summarize.. your total argument is that we don't really understand god's wisdom. right? you could have just said that and i would understand.
but no i don't agree.. i think it's better to blame ourselves for our failures rather than blame an unknown incomprehensible and undetectable spirit in the skies
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12-09-2009, 12:21 AM
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the god wisdom!!...........etc.
we will never understand the way that god works due to his mysterious
ways of bestowing divine's justice among humanity and how he influence
the human mind. but why we can't understand? because if we do..if we find out
how god works ..what god entity is..at that point there is no need to worship him anymore
many religions talk about heaven and hell in differ but the common thing between them is how humanity
will response to god after harmageddon. some will go to heaven .. some will go to hell
but both will stop worshiping god both will stop having faith in god, they will not become atheists no,
but faith is the definition of believing in something but without evidence when you see god when you
experience god's powers whether by blessing or grilling you will have the evidence at that point your
faith turns to Fact.........don't get me wrong i'm not defending god, i'm mocking the Idea of the
mysterious cunning god....but god is not the biggest of my problems no...religions is....
there is a quote which means much to me....and it's for Dr. Steven Weinberg... he said :
"With or without religion, you would have good
people doing good
things and evil people doing evil things.
But for
good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
Viva La Revolución
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12-11-2009, 03:41 AM
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Jedidiah777
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just that I am almost completely un-trained in the Scripture. That’s no problem, at all, FACT_FACT_FACT
…God desires to give you understanding and the Holy Ghost is the best teacher,
He wants to lead you (and all men) into truth.
ask God, he Author of The Book, to give you guidance and understanding.
Religion always wants you to offer everything except the truth… (and it sounds
often so pious and true and yes, they might even use the Bible), because the
devil knows that the adulterer, the liar, the murder, the unbeliever and every
sinner (and yes, all men have sinned and come short), including all religious
people that are not born again by water and spirit cannot enter into the
kingdom of God.
Joh 3:3-8 Jesus answered and said to
him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot
see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus
said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second
time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most
assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot
enter the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and
that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to
you, 'You must be born again.' "The wind blows where it wishes, and you
hear the sound of it, but cannot tell where it comes from and where it goes. So
is everyone who is born of the Spirit."
and now watch, Nicodemus was very well educated in the Scriptures (he was a
Pharisee), but Jesus said to him: Joh 3:9
Nicodemus answered and said to Him, "How can these things
be?" Jesus answered and said to
him, "Are you the teacher of Israel, and do not know these things?
So even knowing a lot from the Bible does not mean to have divine
understanding, because where there is only knowledge and no obedience, one
cannot experience God.
and we need a preacher and pastor:
Rom 10:12-18 For there is no distinction between Jew and
Greek, for the same Lord over all is rich to all who call upon Him. For "whoever calls on the name of the
LORD shall be saved." How then shall they call on Him in whom they have
not believed? And how shall they believe in Him of whom they have not heard?
And how shall they hear without a preacher?
And how shall they preach unless they are sent? As it is written:
"How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who
bring glad tidings of good things!"
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, "Lord,
who has believed our report?" So
then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God. But I say, have they not heard? Yes indeed:
"Their sound has gone out to all the earth, And their words to the ends of
the world."
James 1:5 If any of you lacks wisdom,
let him ask of God, who gives to all liberally and without reproach, and it
will be given to him.
ask for guidance; I never forget, when I prayed this prayer (prayed for guidance), God lead me to the
church of the living God, even though I confessed many times that nobody gets
me into “this sect”. At that time I thought I was already a Christian, but did not know
that I am not lining up with the Bible that's why I talked like that. Hence, it is so important to seek counsel
from God and not from men, because the blind leads the blind…
and in all your search for truth remember, God loves you dearly  and wants to
forgive sins committed in the past, in the presence and yes even in the future…
Jesus already has carried them all at the cross.
Stalwart, I also love to summarize, but there are things so simple and still so
complex that we just cannot summarize them in one or two sentence and probably
not even in a library full of books… Yes, the things of God are so profound
that no human being (or even angels) can really figure it out, I know we will
be in awe of God throughout eternity…
Isa 40:13-18 Who has directed the Spirit
of the LORD, Or as His counselor has taught Him? With whom did He take counsel, and who
instructed Him, And taught Him in the path of justice? Who taught Him
knowledge, And showed Him the way of understanding? Behold, the nations are as a drop in a
bucket, And are counted as the small dust on the scales; Look, He lifts up the
isles as a very little thing. And
Lebanon is not sufficient to burn, Nor its beasts sufficient for a burnt
offering. All nations before Him are as
nothing, And they are counted by Him less than nothing and worthless. To whom
then will you liken God? Or what likeness will you compare to Him?...
God bless you abundantly
Jedidiah
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12-11-2009, 03:51 AM
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Jedidiah777
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Does anybody know, how to prevent that this formatting stuff that copies itself in front of my posted text ? I can already see it in the preview, but I am unable to get rid off it...
Also, I am unable to use the Explorer, because the text field looks really tiny on my computer and I think it would shrink the text to this size, so I use the Mozilla Firefox. But I don't think this is the cause of problem, (somewhere the settings on my computer?) just don't know how to fix it...
Any advise is highl appreciated. Thank you.
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12-11-2009, 04:00 AM
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Jedidiah777
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...my inner spell checker failed  (probably quite often...)  another try...
Does anybody know, how to prevent this formatting stuff from copying itself in front of the posted text ?
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12-13-2009, 12:39 PM
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| Jedidiah777 wrote: | |
Thank you so much
I have been able to tell, from the solemnity of the quotes, that these are no ordinary words!! And I found it difficult to disagree with you on most of the subsidiary comments you inserted.
and in all your search for truth remember, God loves you dearly and wants to forgive sins committed in the past, in the present and yes even in the future… Jesus already has carried them all at the cross
I love what you’re saying, there’s a note of measured hope in it. But I am mostly concerned about the latest part, i.e. Jesus’ crucifixion and its corollary.. It is just very humane on his part to warrant redemption for humanity, but I am afraid that this leads most men to take the statement for granted, and carry on with their violations provided that they have been pre-given due forgiveness out of the altruism of Jesus ( hope I am on track in this --still). How do we reconcile man’s responsibility and the idea above? I really need your opinion on this.
My other question to you is this: which of these two statements is truer and why?
The word of God is the Scripture
The word of God is in the Scripture
Looking forward to your input
Thanks again Jedidiah
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12-14-2009, 04:58 AM
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Jedidiah777
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Dear friend, kind of late in this part of the world, therefore just copy/paste some Scriptures... I keep you in my prayers. May God lead you and reveal Himself to you in a special and marvelous way.
God bless you abundantly.
Jedidiah
...but I am afraid that this leads most men to take the statement for granted, and carry on with their violations provided that they have been pre-given due forgiveness out of the altruism of Jesus ( hope I am on track in this --still). How do we reconcile man’s responsibility and the idea above? I really need your opinion on this. The Bible warns of this; with the wonderful gift of salvation for which Jesus paid the price on the cross, there comes an even greater responsiblity, but we to get to this another time. (The God of the New Testament is the same God as the God of the Old Testament, who told Moses to stone a man to death, who did not keep the Sabbath, but disobeyed and collected wood, see Numbers 15:32ff):
Rom 6:15-23 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? Certainly not! Do you not know that to whom you present yourselves slaves to obey, you are that one's slaves whom you obey, whether of sin leading to death, or of obedience leading to righteousness? But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered. And having been set free from sin, you became slaves of righteousness. I speak in human terms because of the weakness of your flesh. For just as you presented your members as slaves of uncleanness, and of lawlessness leading to more lawlessness, so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness. For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness. What fruit did you have then in the things of which you are now ashamed? For the end of those things is death. But now having been set free from sin, and having become slaves of God, you have your fruit to holiness, and the end, everlasting life. For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
2 Pe 2:20-22 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them. But it has happened to them according to the true proverb: "A dog returns to his own vomit," and, "a sow, having washed, to her wallowing in the mire."
Heb 10:23-31 Let us hold fast the confession of our hope without wavering, for He who promised is faithful. And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching. For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Anyone who has rejected Moses' law dies without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. Of how much worse punishment, do you suppose, will he be thought worthy who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, counted the blood of the covenant by which he was sanctified a common thing, and insulted the Spirit of grace? For we know Him who said, "Vengeance is Mine, I will repay," says the Lord. And again, "The LORD will judge His people." It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
The word of God is the Scripture TRUE!!! We have to get to the Why another time...
Mar 13:31 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
Mat 24:35 "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,
2Pe 1:19-21 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
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12-15-2009, 03:49 AM
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Jedidiah777
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To part one question:
In reference to the Sabbath incident in Numbers 15:22 I want to emphasize following: quote: "If you sin unintentionally..." (Numbers 15:22)
also want to point out:
presumptuously / unintended / unintentionally are key words in Numbers 15 to this issue; the word "unintentionally" is mentioned in this single chapter 7 times. Therefore it is always good to check out facts from the context.
To part two question:
Mat 5:18 "For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Luk 16:17 "And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one tittle of the law to fail."
Even a tittle, the smallest mark in a text will not be overlooked or forgotten in the Word of God.
Also "True" for ‘The word of God is the Scripture” is the fact that it is the only prophetic book from God given to men, because only God knows the future. If you study the Bible you will be amazed about the exact prophesies hundreds of years ago and their precise fulfillment in the appointed time.
Another question to the assumtion: “The word of God is in the Scripture” What else would be there, if this would be the case? Human wisdom, or some “smart ideas” from the devil?
It is very essential that we understand and believe that the Word of God is the Scripture.
...more to come
God bless you abundantly
Jedidiah
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12-21-2009, 01:06 AM
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Jedidiah777
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Dear FACT_FACT_FACT, there's no need to struggle, just pray to Jesus and ask Him to open up your heart and pray for childlike faith. It's not really heavy material, if we don't try to figure out everything with our limited human understanding, but rather expect God to speak to us through His Word and accepting that He loves us and cares for us. Also we have to acknowledge our sin problem and have to understand, that only God can help us in this issue. Repentance is the confessing of sins to a Holy God, asking for forgiveness and turning around from sin with God's help. Our sins are separating us from a Holy God, but God made provision to receive forgiveness, deliverance and grace, if we do it according to His plan. True repentance comes from the work of the holy Ghost, working in our lives, and giving us conviction of sins and things that displease God. I have to be brief and short, because I am very tight with my time right now.
2 Co 7:10 For godly sorrow produces repentance leading to salvation, not to be regretted; but the sorrow of the world produces death.
Always remember, the Gospel are the Good News. When you start reading the Bible, it's good to start with the New Testament, I would suggest the Gospel of John. Guess you speak perfectly Arabic as well, it's best to study the Bible in the native language. On this link http://www.ibs-mena.com/downLoadsAudioBible.aspx you can download Books of the Bible in MP3 format and put it on a little Mp3 player etc. (downloading "low" is sufficient, it's just beautiful ).
God bless you abundantly, I keep you in my prayers.
Jedidiah
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Jedidiah777
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...hope there were some downloads by now from http://www.ibs-mena.com/downLoadsAudioBible.aspx There is nothing better than the Word of God!
Have to come back here soon and go on... we can't stop at reading the Word of God and repentance a half Gospel will not do...
John 3:3-7 Jesus answered and said to him, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God." Nicodemus said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born?" Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. "Do not marvel that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
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