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03-22-2010, 03:34 PM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet thanks Jedidiah, the only thing that makes me keep going  is my faith, and i will not stop believing  in miracles as well, since they are all around  us. be well. إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

03-22-2010, 03:45 PM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet SONNET 8 Music to hear, why hear'st thou music sadly? Sweets with sweets war not, joy delights in joy. Why lovest thou that which thou receivest not gladly, Or else receivest with pleasure thine annoy? If the true concord of well-tuned sounds, By unions married, do offend thine ear, They do but sweetly chide thee, who confounds In singleness the parts that thou shouldst bear. Mark how one string, sweet husband to another, Strikes each in each by mutual ordering, Resembling sire and child and happy mother Who all in one, one pleasing note do sing:     Whose speechless song, being many, seeming one,     Sings this to thee: 'thou single wilt prove none.' a short paraphrase:by remaining a childless bachelor, the friend is failing to play his part in the harmony of life, which is family.you will amount to nothing by remaining single. like the  common saying "one is no number"   إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

03-23-2010, 07:48 PM Jedidiah777 Joined on 02-22-2006 Posts 781 Re: shakespearian sonnet Thanks, Talah! quote: the only thing that makes me keep going  is my faith, Thumb up, Talah, cuz the right thing is keeping you going and you know, it makes us fly one of these days... (see 1 Thess 4,13-18; 1 Cor 15) quote: and i will not stop believing  in miracles as well, since they are all around  us. Uuuh, I just see the same things on this spot of the world, where I live (maybe cannot hear everything here @ youtube, but Sony cannot mess with this). And we must buckle up, we will even see  greater things…. John 14:12  "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father." God will do great things in these last days that will make the headlines… (I already hear a crowd of atheists asking: Can you tell me more about your God?  and others with the same question, who just don’t know yet, Who He truly is…) be blessed.    Report

03-26-2010, 04:16 PM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet SONNET 9 Is it for fear to wet a widow's eye That thou consumest thyself in single life? Ah! if thou issueless shalt hap to die, The world will wail thee, like a makeless wife; The world will be thy widow and still weep That thou no form of thee hast left behind, When every private widow well may keep By children's eyes her husband's shape in mind. Look what an unthrift in the world doth spend Shifts but his place, for still the world enjoys it; But beauty's waste hath in the world an end, And kept unused, the user so destroys it.     No love toward others in that bosom sits     That on himself such murderous shame commits in short,a man in his old age will regret not having children إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

04-09-2010, 01:48 PM FACT_FACT_FACT Joined on 11-19-2005 Is there a real Kingdom above? Posts 1,728 Re: shakespearian sonnet Tala u are well-read in Sh. If you could consider some of his poems adressed to the "Dark Lady," those that provoke questions from the Queer-Theory on homo~~uality -- Sh. used to adress men who played feminine roles on stage with provocative language. Taken at face-value, most poems are ordinary. But that fact caters to make the reader reconsider these poems in a new light. I think those would be quite interesting. I will look up the number-range of those poems and post some here (I need to look into some anthologies); for still the language is phenomenal!!    Heroes don't come easily    Report

04-12-2010, 05:44 PM FACT_FACT_FACT Joined on 11-19-2005 Is there a real Kingdom above? Posts 1,728 Re: shakespearian sonnet Hi, I was somewhat intrigued by W. Wordsworth's assessment. But if you notice, the dominant feature of poems addressed to the Dark Lady is "obscurity" (hmmm)!! Sonnets to the Dark Lady start at 127 --> the end ~  150- something there were moments, of course, when William needed to fondly remember his wife. This is something that maybe psychologically explained in the light of the (QUEER) interest of the poems. The Dark Lady (In Disguise)  She is also described as dark-haired. William Wordsworth was unimpressed by these sonnets. He wrote that: These sonnets, beginning at 127, to his Mistress, are worse than a puzzle-peg. They are abominably harsh, obscure & worthless. The others are for the most part much better, have many fine lines, very fine lines & passages. They are also in many places warm with passion. Their chief faults, and heavy ones they are, are sameness, tediousness, quaintness, & elaborate obscurity. Heroes don't come easily    Report

04-13-2010, 07:24 AM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet  FACT_FACT_FACT wrote: Tala u are well-read in Sh. If you could consider some of his poems adressed to the "Dark Lady," those that provoke questions from the Queer-Theory on homo~~uality -- Sh. used to adress men who played feminine roles on stage with provocative language. Taken at face-value, most poems are ordinary. But that fact caters to make the reader reconsider these poems in a new light. I think those would be quite interesting. I will look up the number-range of those poems and post some here (I need to look into some anthologies); for still the language is phenomenal!!    iam sorry i was so busy studying and i still have exams coming up,anyway at first i was posting sonnet that i like or recently went over it, but i thought to post them strat form number one and go on, it will be better,so i dont get missed up. the sonnets adressed to the dark lady are interesting indeed and i will post some soon.  besides the ones  that you gonna post. thanks alot for enriching the topic. إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

04-13-2010, 07:59 AM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet Sonnet adressed to the dark lady: SONNET 127 In the old age black was not counted fair, if it were, it bore not beauty's name; But now is black beauty's successive heir, And beauty slander'd with a bastard shame: For since each hand hath put on nature's power, Fairing the foul with art's false borrow'd face, Sweet beauty hath no name, no holy bower, But is profaned, if not lives in disgrace. Therefore my mistress' brows are raven black, Her eyes so suited, and they mourners seem At such who, not born fair, no beauty lack, Slandering creation with a false esteem:    Yet so they mourn, becoming of their woe,    That every tongue says beauty should look so. so the poet tells us that black in the old age was not beautiful, and his mistress in the poem seems that she has no make up on,What most upsets him is not that one definition of beauty supersedes another but that women use cosmetics to enhance their natural appearance. he is glad that she doesnt use make up to lighten her apperence because according to him it will be bastard shame , and her good looks are not "slandered" by unnatural measures. i hope that i did make it alil bit clear and explain the idea of the poem. p.s.  the Dark Lady's color varies in the sonnets, so sometimes she seems black-haired and other times merely brunette إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

04-13-2010, 09:34 PM FACT_FACT_FACT Joined on 11-19-2005 Is there a real Kingdom above? Posts 1,728 Re: shakespearian sonnet Nice one i like it Heroes don't come easily    Report

04-15-2010, 12:02 AM Jedidiah777 Joined on 02-22-2006 Posts 781 Re: shakespearian sonnet I like it too and agree with Mr. Shakespeare...  Thanks for sharing talah. The way you expain it, helps greatly... ...and yes, better powered than powdered... (and there is nothing better than to be (em)powered from above)    Report

04-15-2010, 04:53 PM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet glad you like it, will post more inshAllah soon. إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

05-02-2010, 02:32 AM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet SONNET 128 How oft, when thou, my music, music play'st, Upon that blessed wood whose motion sounds With thy sweet fingers, when thou gently sway'st The wiry concord that mine ear confounds, Do I envy those jacks that nimble leap To kiss the tender inward of thy hand, Whilst my poor lips, which should that harvest reap, At the wood's boldness by thee blushing stand! To be so tickled, they would change their state And situation with those dancing chips, O'er whom thy fingers walk with gentle gait, Making dead wood more blest than living lips.    Since saucy jacks so happy are in this,    Give them thy fingers, me thy lips to kiss   this sonnet creats a physical scene which we don't see it  alot in the sonnets.  the poet is simply jealous of the piano that his mistress is playing.Jealous of his mistress touching the instrument rather than him. What makes the sonnet so physically sensual  although he didn't touch the woman, and not his description of her playibg the piano but his personification of the instrument's response to the woman's touch. He invies the piano and it's keys. The only consolation the poet has is his fantasy of kissing his mistress, which is an empty comfort given that the poet craves the sensuous touch the Dark Lady uses as she plays the musical instrument. إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

05-05-2010, 07:00 PM stalwart Joined on 11-19-2005 Posts 7,887 Re: shakespearian sonnet شكسبيريان سنة الله و رسولو؟؟؟ بهههه    Report

06-11-2010, 03:33 AM talah26 Joined on 05-21-2008 ئدام الشباك Posts 1,531 Re: shakespearian sonnet SONNET 129 The expense of spirit in a waste of shame Is lust in action; and till action, lust Is perjured, murderous, bloody, full of blame, Savage, extreme, rude, cruel, not to trust, Enjoy'd no sooner but despised straight, Past reason hunted, and no sooner had Past reason hated, as a swallow'd bait On purpose laid to make the taker mad; Mad in pursuit and in possession so; Had, having, and in quest to have, extreme; A bliss in proof, and proved, a very woe; Before, a joy proposed; behind, a dream.    All this the world well knows; yet none knows well    To shun the heaven that leads men to this hell. the poet here lost his control, the same control he was jealous of the mistress having over the "dead wood." this sonnet reveals a fundamental weakness in the poet's moral being. He asks why his heart should be moved by what he knows to be worthless, and yet, obviously bound by passion, he cannot escape his lust despite his better self. He endeavors to convince himself that the Dark Lady is better than he knows her to be. إن غدا لناظره قريب    Report

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